The NY Times Sunday Mag Cover (4/29)
Posted on May 2, 2008 by thestateofblog
Nah, y’all are not being brainwashed. It’s just a carefully posed picture of two effeminate young men enjoying a cookout in a suburban setting appearing in the nation’s largest ‘news’paper.
Filed under: Culture
Saw this article last week. Not my lifestyle, but hey, to each his own. Live and let live. C’est la vie. Que sera sera,. Not my business.
Now let’s hear what the bible thunpers have to say. I’m of the opinion that, like the hypcritical senator who got busted, those who protest the loudest…..
The sad thing Big J, is the apologists for Gay Propaganda, still think this has anything to do with stopping homosexuals from being homosexuals, or persecuting people.
They don’t / won’t understand that this is a rejection of propaganda, not a rejection of people. Gay Propaganda wants us to think of homosexuality as something people “are” instead of something people “do”. Meaning, if you accept a person as “Gay” …. you must accept homosexual sex.
Nah. Homey. That’s mixing issues. You can be a cool smart, intelligent, interesting person. And I accept that. But I’m not “accepting” some nasty shit you do in your bedroom with another man.
Black is something you are. Not something you do. Homosexual sex is not who you are. It’s something you do.
Some of the most beautiful evolved human beings on the planet, happen to have homosexual sex. Some of the most beautiful evolved human beings on the planet also happened to shoot heroin (Miles Davis). I can admire Miles Davis without endorsing his drug use.
Why can’t I admire Robert Downey Jr. as an actor without endorsing anal sex between men?
The fact is Americans are bombarded with more and more positive images of the homosexual lifestyle and fewer and fewer positive images of marriage and family. As more and more schools now introduce children to “anal sex” as a “choice” .. HIV and AIDS are killing black people as fast as the “War on Terror” is killing Iraqis.
Despite the propaganda, HIV and AIDS is still primarily a disease caused by homosexual sex.
If we can encourage kids not to smoke, to save them from lung cancer, why can we not encourage kids not to have anal sex to prevent AIDS?
Giving out condoms in schools and preaching “safe sex” makes as much sense as giving out cigarette filters and preaching “safe smoking”.
The power of the Gay Lobby makes the suggestion of discouraging homosexual sex, to prevent AIDS among kids, damn near religious blasphemy.
People like Pres turn blue in the face at the mere suggestion.
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DV
But I’m not “accepting” some nasty shit you do in your bedroom with another man.
DV when you stick your male member in your woman’s ass then her mouth… Then bust a navy bomb on her face is that not nasty shit as well homie??… Because you sure can’t pro-create with that method of attack. And God forbid if she then turns around kisses you back on your mouth… I see it’s the do as I say… not as I do sitcom. Utter Hypocrisy!
Has anyone read the article? I haven’t, but I’m curious as to what those what have read it think about it.
I’m with Pres on this by the way.
DV,
Accepting everything you say as true, then what should we do with those who “act” in a homosexual way? Should the end result be that the entire human race be made to “act” in a heterosexual manner?
pres: Now let’s hear what the bible thunpers have to say. I’m of the opinion that, like the hypcritical senator who got busted, those who protest the loudest…..
It definitely makes you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm, doesn’t it?
DV
Despite the propaganda, HIV and AIDS is still primarily a disease caused by homosexual sex.
Bullshit!
You may be at increased risk for infection if you have:
injected drugs or steroids, during which equipment (such as needles, syringes, cotton, water) and blood were shared with others
had unprotected vaginal, anal, or oral sex (that is, sex without using condoms) with men who have sex with men, multiple partners, or anonymous partners
exchanged sex for drugs or money
been given a diagnosis of, or been treated for, hepatitis, tuberculosis (TB), or a sexually transmitted disease (STD) such as syphilis
received a blood transfusion or clotting factor during 1978–1985
had unprotected sex with someone who has any of the risk factors listed above
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/basic/index.htm
DV tell us what’s more risky behavior… This is how you religious zealouts get down…
http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353657,00.html
Anon,
You need to leave the internet porn alone. That nastiness you describe is not something a man does with his woman. If you had a woman, I wouldn’t have to tell you that.
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DV would rather see this instead… Because is says homo thug just right… That he can live with…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/photowire/308976158/
February 14, 2008:
NY Times
In a public statement last Friday, Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, rattled the homosexual activist community by joining the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pro-family organizations and a growing number of homosexual activists willing to admit that homosexual behavior is both extremely high-risk and primarily responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS in the U.S.
Addressing the topic of AIDS, Foreman drastically deviated from the “gay” lobby’s party line by admitting, “Internally, when these numbers come out, the ‘established’ gay community seems to have a collective shrug as if this isn’t our problem. Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi, we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that.”
DV
That nastiness you describe is not something a man does with his woman.
Oh… but you have done it with a woman… Who just happen not to be your woman ath the time… Politico so early in morning DV. Choosing your words carefully I see. We all know any REAL man has hit off A woman in the rectum at least once in his career. So how is that not nasty DV… You didn’t answer the question… Par for the course for you.
“Accepting everything you say as true, then what should we do with those who “act” in a homosexual way?” Rich
The same thing we should do with people who smoke, or use drugs.
Leave them alone. It’s a free world.
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DV are you saying that hetero’s don’t spread disease as well homie????
STDs are a major public health issue in the United States:
• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that there are approximately 19 million new cases of STDs each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1
• STDs have an economic impact: direct medical costs associated with STDs in the U.S. are estimated at $15.3 billion annually.2
• There are physical and psychological impacts. Untreated, some STDs can lead to serious health consequences, including infertility.
Chlamydia remains the most commonly reported infectious disease in the United States. In 2006, 1,030,911 chlamydia diagnoses were reported, up from 976,445 in 2005. Even so, most chlamydia cases go undiagnosed. It is estimated that there are approximately 2.8 million new cases of chlamydia in the United States each year. 1
Women, especially young women, are hit hardest by chlamydia. Studies have found that chlamydia is more common among adolescent females than adolescent males, and the long-term consequences of untreated disease are much more severe for females. The chlamydia case rate for females in 2006 was three times higher than for males.
Hypocrisy Kills DV! While your so busy gay bashing and hiding your kids from gays they are contracting their own hetero shit…. While that hetero gun totting Texan Bush has fuc#ed up our kids country single handed.
Anon / Casper …
What is your point? Anal sex with a man is no different from anal sex with a woman?
Nigga yuck.
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2 posts on homosexuality in one week. Sigh…okay. Certainly we’ve exceeded the quota for a while, huh? C’mon TSO… you’re making bossip my first stop now.
Is this nasty DV??? Or you give homie a pass cuz he spits fire to you ???
http://www.hhnlive.com/news/more/529
DV
What is your point?
What’s your point?…. That anyone who chooses vanilla ice cream versus butter scotch with sprinkles (cuz that’s your favorite)has a birth defect??? Who are you to decide what’s right and what’s wrong. GOD created all people… So you have beef with GOD DV??? You have argued in the past that anal sex ain’t natural. So is anal sex with women natural??? Is nuttin in a woman’s mouth natural??? And if you swear you don’t partake … How about for any of your ping pong buddies that do… Are they nasty too???
If religious people put their imagery and ideology in the media to the extent homosexuals do, there would be protests and complaints that they are trying to ram their views down everyone else’s throats.
We’d hear all the pseudo-educated liberals like Pres and Rich and Roderick yacking about how religion is a private matter and people should keep it to themselves.
In contrast, homosexuality is a public matter that one need not keep to himself and anyone who complains about the public spectacle made of it in the media, government and schools is a homophobic, closet case.
It can’t possibly be that homosexuals are trying to ram their views down everyone’s throats (pun intended).
How did this happen?
Anon,
Not sure what you were attempting to prove brother but it aint work. That description was pretty darn bad.
I would have to side with DV on this one. I aint tripping over lifestyle and how you get down but this is an attempt to blur the real issues with regard to how this information and portrayal are pushed out on to us. Live and let live is one thing. Live and let-me-show-you-how-nice-it-is-to-be-gay-and-what-the-possibilities-are AINT cool at all. I am old when I remember when MTV first started and having the click-clack cable box (which only had 21 options) and they made a big deal about Michael and Madonna. Nowadays, if you mistakenly turn to the station it’s constantly showing teenage students going out of their way to “prove” just how homosexually embracive they are. It’s sad really.
My $.02.
SDIC
I think young Sista Sasha is missing the point. This is not bossip. This is a political issue that involves all aspects of our lives. Why shouldn’t TSO discuss it?
Anon it is not a choice between vanilla and butter scotch. It’s a choice between vanilla and arsenic. There are health consequences to the homosexual lifestyle. Acknowledging them does NOT EQUAL hating gays.
It means one hasn’t been so punked by the Gay Lobby that he can’t acknowledge the obvious. Yet, if one even THOUGHT of teaching kids about the consequences of the homosexual lifestyle - they can damn near be charged with a “hate crime”.
Homosexuals should be free to do whatever they want. But don’t intimidate people into pretending that choosing to engage in homosexual sex is no different than being born left handed.
This is less a discussion on Gays than it is on Brainwashing.
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“Live and let live is one thing. Live and let-me-show-you-how-nice-it-is-to-be-gay-and-what-the-possibilities-are AINT cool at all.” SDCali
Wow. Thanks Bra. You said what I was trying to say in one sentence.
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Dina
If religious people put their imagery and ideology in the media to the extent homosexuals do, there would be protests and complaints that they are trying to ram their views down everyone else’s throats.
First of all there are how many different religions?? So what religious faction are you referring to. Catholics… because I could have sworn when the Pope was in the states every major network carried his sermon… I missed the dam Laker game because of him. Secondly, which do you see more… imagery of processed foods that kills millions and/or creates poor quality of life or gay life. In one day how many McDonalds and Burger King ads and billboards do you see and hear versus gay ads??? I am really curious how you and DV come up with this reality.
Dina
In contrast, homosexuality is a public matter that one need not keep to himself and anyone who complains about the public spectacle made of it in the media, government and schools is a homophobic, closet case.
Huh!?Public !… are you serious? Did you know in advance that those two Senotors who were recently outed where gay. One was married with two kids. Most gays don’t come out because of bigots such as you and DV. Should I care what you and your man do in your bedroom… Why do you care so much?
Without utterly descending to the level of raunch, it’s pretty clear when you look at the numbers on the CDC site, that the overwhelming majority of people with HIV/AIDS are men who have sex with men (MSM).
Furthermore, studies have shown that naturally occurring acids in the vagina help kill the HIV/AIDS virus so….chances are, if a woman contracts HIV through sexual activity, it was most likely anal sex with a MSM (which also explains why so few lesbians have HIV/AIDS).
Bottom line, anal sex is a high risk sexual activity.
Some Dude In Cali
I would have to side with DV on this one.
I am not suprised… Bigots normally do stick together.
Some Dude
Live and let live is one thing. Live and let-me-show-you-how-nice-it-is-to-be-gay-and-what-the-possibilities-are AINT cool at all
So are you so insecure about your masculinity that an ad you think is suggesting gay life may make you switch teams. GTFOOH!…. You people kill me… Bigot language. Same shit David Duke used to keep your grand parents from voting and drinking water from where they pleased.
Well said SDIC.
However, what I’m most taken with in this post is that utter compulsion of Anon to prove DV wrong, to one-up him.
I cliked about 10 mins ago and this post was empty. Came back and it had like 30 posts, 80% of which are by Anon.
Damn Negro. Breathe. Wipe your furrowed brow. I have no idea who or where you are but I’m over here concerned you gon’ have a seizure homey.
“Bottom line, anal sex is a high risk sexual activity.” T-Hype
Now T …. Why are hating on Gays? Don’t you know it is a choice? Like choosing vanilla ice cream? Are you secretly Gay T? Come on now. Are you in the closet … like that senator?
See the ridiculousness?
T, do you think you could successfully teach that observable truth, that you just hipped us to, in a public school?
The Gay Lobby is more powerful than the Tobacco Lobby.
Imagine if people who taught the dangers of smoking were accused of being Smokerphobic.
Anon,
Have you watched tv lately? A movie?
Indeed, Made of Honor is opening today. The hatred of the family and corollary homosexualization of men is damn near part of every media creation.
Name one heterosexual male who is married and portrayed in a positive manner.
Crickets….
Crickets….
They are all wife beaters, adulterers or stupid buffoons.
The only positively portrayed heterosexual men are single, impeccably dressed, and would never think of marrying (in other words - GAY) - James Bond.
On the other hand, Will is the sweetest roommate a woman could have. Queer Eye is the perfect way for those horrible heterosexual men to finally understand the error of their ways. Brokeback Mountain (two married guys) took one of the last bastions of Americana masculinity and homophied it.
Kids can’t attend a public school without hearing all about homosexuality even though Christmas is banned.
I’m glad you bring up the processed food example. Processed food advertising is just as destructive to health as homosexual propaganda is to family.
But no need to get upset. Just as I am very thoughtful and cautious about what my child consumes nutritionally, I will be equally thoughtful and cautious about what she consumes ideologically.
But people who let their kids feast on Twinkies probably won’t care when Johnny comes home from 3rd grade talking about “I’m gay”.
Not to mention, are you capable of getting everything out in one shot? Or is it by choice that you create an individual post for each sentence with which you take issue.
DV
There are health consequences to the homosexual lifestyle. Acknowledging them does NOT EQUAL hating gays.
There are health risk for all sexual lifstyles DV. So you should bash homo’s, hetero’s(DL too), bi’s and tri’s for high risk sexual behavior! If that is your real argument.. Which I suspect your are masking your real hatred for male homo’s specifically. I think you like lezbo’s
Out of curiosity Anon, are you a member of NAMBLA? Does it make one a bigot if you think what they do is unnatural?
DV:
No, I’m not missing the point. I just believe there are other issues that are worthy and more interesting to be discussed than homosexuality, EVERY SINGLE WEEK. And last time I checked Halle Berry being a “delicious mama” was not a political issue.
“I think you like lezbo’s.” Anon
The discussion has officially reached its intellectual high.
DV
The Gay Lobby is more powerful than the Tobacco Lobby.
Bullshit ! Once again…Do some research homie b4 you spread inaccurate statements.
I just believe there are other issues that are worthy and more interesting to be discussed than homosexuality, EVERY SINGLE WEEK.
We all share your frustration Sasha, which is exactly what this post is about - why is it that we are bombarded EVERY SINGLE WEEK by the NYT, CNN, etc. with homosexuality?
TSO isn’t discussing homosexuality out of nowhere. It is countering the onslaught of homosexual propaganda put out by the media in all of its products. If it seems like it comes up too often, perhaps it is because the media raise the issue too often.
DV
Imagine if people who taught the dangers of smoking were accused of being Smokerphobic.
So are you afraid that a gay man is going to overpower you and rap to you DV… (you might just like that) … Hello there is no safe cigarette DV… Hetero’s and Gay’s can practice safe sex… In case you didn’t know..
Dina
Name one heterosexual male who is married and portrayed in a positive manner.
Will Smith! Next
Dina
They are all wife beaters, adulterers or stupid buffoons.
Now .. now…don’t talk about DV’s rappers like that!
Dina
On the other hand, Will is the sweetest roommate a woman could have. Queer Eye is the perfect way for those horrible heterosexual men to finally understand the error of their ways. Brokeback Mountain (two married guys) took one of the last bastions of Americana masculinity and homophied it.
You get a little variety and now all of a sudden … They Gay’s are taking over the world. You ever watch the Military channel… Lots of big “gay” guns on that network as well. I am sure that’s how you would see it.
To hell with Oprah. Dina you need a TV Show.
Robyn you right. The conversation has sunk below nasty.
Anon, calm down Bra.
There is nothing INHERENTLY unhealthy about heterosexual sex. (If there were, human beings wouldn’t have survived the past million years of evolution.)
Homosexual sex is INHERENTLY unhealthy. (If there are 80 year old homosexual men walking around holding hands, I’d like to meet them … Not really. But just send a link)
Sasha. I feel you.
But out of curiosity, name a topic you would rather discuss.
________________________ ?
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Dina
But people who let their kids feast on Twinkies probably won’t care when Johnny comes home from 3rd grade talking about “I’m gay”.
Funny… however… aren’t gay men always fit???
Dina
Out of curiosity Anon, are you a member of NAMBLA?
Never heard of it…So I guess the answer is no.
Ahhh….. Anon. Will Smith - Mr. About To Convert To Scientology?
Dina
We all share your frustration Sasha, which is exactly what this post is about - why is it that we are bombarded EVERY SINGLE WEEK by the NYT, CNN, etc. with homosexuality?
Because you and DV are obviously looking for it(Gay ads). It’s like when you buy a new car. All of a sudden that’s all you see. All I see is fast food and get out debt ads. So you two want to tell us something?
Dina
TSO isn’t discussing homosexuality out of nowhere. It is countering the onslaught of homosexual propaganda put out by the media in all of its products. If it seems like it comes up too often, perhaps it is because the media raise the issue too often.
Not sure what you and DV watch and talk about all day. The two major topics I see and hear are about race and gender…. Obama & Clinton… High Gas… Lost Homes… Dead Soldiers
DV,
Isn’t it funny how the rabid, fundamentalist secularists insist homosexuality is natural, normal, etc. but won’t touch the Darwinian component of the issue?
Same people pushing Darwin push homosexuality, not realizing the contradiction between the two. Darwin’s theory is based on the principles of natural selection and survival of only those traits that ensure REPRODUCTION OF THE SPECIES.
If one were to take Darwinian theory literally the way secularists do, one could make the argument that HIV/AIDS is nature’s way of killing off the weaker of the species that possess traits that shouldn’t propagate in the gene pool. If one were to take Darwinian theory literally, they would have to admit that using the colon as a 2-way street when it EVOLVED to be a 1-way street probably isn’t a good idea.
Anon, yack on all you like about chlamydia, etc., but heteros aren’t dying from it.
Someone needs to do something about the public schools in this country.
Anon’s insistence on robotic literalism is symptomatic of the decline in abstract thinking that characterizes higher order thinking.
DV
Homosexual sex is INHERENTLY unhealthy. (If there are 80 year old homosexual men walking around holding hands, I’d like to meet them … Not really. But just send a link)
In the history of man how long ago has the homo practice lasted DV…. So what are you talking about?
BIGOT will say anything…
Blacks are inferior
Signed KKK
Dina
Someone needs to do something about the public schools in this country.
That’s why europeans take U.S. college type courses in their highschool. In europe the tell it like it is… not as much Bigot b.s. like here.
Anon,
“In the history of man how long ago has the homo practice lasted DV…. So what are you talking about?”
Probably as long as has incest Anon.
Don’t make it healthy or something that should be taught in schools.
Are people who practice incest …. Incestuous-Americans? Are people who find that practice repulsive … bigots?
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Why are so many people on this blog so hung up on what other people do in their bedrooms?
Not my business is a great attitude to adopt.
And I don’t care if homosexuals are allowed to marry either - a STATE sanctioned institution - so long as it is labeled as ‘gay marriage’ for statistical purposes. After all, if Frankie and Johnny, or Gayle and Robin get married, how else would you identify who is male and who is female?
BTW: ‘mosexuality exists throughout the animal kingdom. Why WOULD (not should) humans be an exception? I hope you with children don’t teach your intolerant attitudes to your children. Hell, you might end up with a gay child.
“BTW: ‘mosexuality exists THROUGHOUT the animal kingdom.” Pres
Umm um um.
Some people will believe anything. LOL. They gay lobby did a job on these Negros.
Gay lions just rule the Serrangetti don’t they Pres? Little pink gay wales off the coast of California.
Where Dem Bumbaclot Get Dat Fwum?
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James Bond was gay!?!?!
I feel deceived.
Sasha,
You constantly complain if there is post about gays, but you comment on nothing else. If it’s about Iraq, health, politics, society, etc., you ignore it. You’re more into the niggerish stuff. You’ll post something negative about this one post. Gimme a break.
DV
Probably as long as has incest Anon.
Well If GOD didn’t want it to be possible he wouldn’t… Can you screw a tree fish?
Like I said before, someone needs to do something about the public schools in this country.
Pres, let’s work on reading comprehension. Let me make this clear. No one cares what anyone does in the privacy of their own bedroom. That’s their PRIVATE business. But when homos demand that PUBLIC schools teach their lifestyle to children, it’s a whole different matter. When homos demand that the rest of society endorse their lifestyle as normal and wonderful, it’s a whole different matter.
No one would have any idea who is gay and who isn’t. It is gays that PUBLICLY make an issue of their sex lives and demand that the rest of us listen and cheer for them. That some of us don’t want to is what you so simplistically call bible thumping.
Dina
But when homos demand that PUBLIC schools teach their lifestyle to children, it’s a whole different matter
Gays pay taxes too… Don’t they… Where have they ever stated except our lifestyle.. On the contrary… Respect us regardless of our sex lives…. which sex is a small % of who we are as people Dina… Drop the hate agenda already. When hetero’s kiss in public… I guess that’s the only combination that’s acceptable to you… mama Hitler.
J:
You’re trippin. Really trippin’. I have commented on a plethora of issues on this blog and you know it. Posts relating to the election, schools, food prices, relationship issues, family matters…. I don’t need to blow my own horn. To say that I only comment on “niggerish issues” is your meager attempt to fuel a non-existent fire and I won’t be baited. You have even mentioned that the posts that get more comments are the ones that are non-political. Don’t point the finger at me.
I have mentioned in the past that I have gotten bored of this blog’s seeming obsession with all issues and controveries regarding gay matters. A break from the usual gay rhetoric would be appreciated. For a blog that is supposedly pro black heterosexual family, we certainly spend at least one to two posts per week analyzing the gay agenda. Can you go a month without a single post on homosexuality? If we, as so many believe, are constantly bombarded by gay propaganda and imagery, must we further be bombarded by it on this blog?
Anon,
Just curious. But help a brotha out. I sincerely don’t understand your last point.
Other than homosexual sex … what makes a homosexual … a homosexual?
I mean, I can understand what makes black people black … other than brown skin.
I can understand what makes a Catholoic, Catholic other than communion.
What makes a man “Gay” other than anal sex?
DV
Gay lions just rule the Serrangetti don’t they Pres? Little pink gay wales off the coast of California.
DV did you stay awake in class…
Gay Male Lions
http://youtube.com/watch?v=glWQSM7DIFM
DV
What makes a man “Gay” other than anal sex?
#1 2 Gay women don’t have anal sex DV
#2 When a hetero man and woman are a couple does that automatically mean they are having sex…?? I know couples today who don’t have sex but they are a couple.
#3 I would assume that ever male/male relationship is not about sex. And if so it may not involve anal… Just like you state you don’t have anal with your woman.
#4 If it’s anal sex that bothers you why is it OK for you to breakoff your woman in the ass??
#5 If a hetero’s or homo’s are promoting anal sex in ads or radio then I am with you It’s not appropriate… But that’s not what’s happening. You choose to use your imagination for some reason. And picture two men in a prison scene. I am not sure why but you need to loose the homo erotic thoughts. Pronto!
I am just saying…
So ….
Anon. We will try again. Maybe this time you will come close to providing an answer.
What makes a man “Gay” other than anal sex?
Never mind. Let’s save some time and links to lions humping at the zoo. I’ll help you out.
NOTHING.
There is no such thing as “Gay”.
It’s manufactured term. Like “Islamofascist” or “Obamaniac”.
A man who does not have homosexual sex, is no more a homosexual than a man who doesn’t smoke crack is a crack addict.
It is something you do. It is not something you “are”.
This conversation is no condemnation of homosexuals. It’s a condemnation of Conformist Group Think.
If you can condition a nation of people to believe two grown ass men boning each other in the ass is no different than being born left handed - you can condition them to believe anything, like a war of invasion and occupation is really a war of terror… or George Bush actually won the presidency.
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DV
There is no such thing as “Gay”…..A man who does not have homosexual sex, is no more a homosexual than a man who doesn’t smoke crack is a crack addict.
DV there is no such thing as Black, Santa, Tooth Fairy, gangsta rappers who are really gangsta’s… So what’s your point.
Mind you … you looked at the photo and assumed those two men where gay without knowledge as to whether either has indulged in anal sex with another man. Thus you are double talkng and reaching for straws. Keeo it real DV. You hate men who threaten your man hood for some reason. Dr. Phil can help you my son!
Either way you need to read Webster’s definition clearly #1 specifically.
Main Entry: 1ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: \ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1892
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
— ho·mo·sex·u·al·ly adverb
There is no such thing as “Gay”. -DV
In all my years, I have never heard this. Normally, I would scoff at this notion. However, considering the source from which it came, I am willing to listen to the logic behind it.
DV, school me.
Prince Wayne, I mean Akeem.
Perhaps I can help.
DV made the statement “there is no such thing as gay” as part of the illustration of his point that people are not gay, instead, they participate in homosexual sex. Hence the question a little before that “what exactly is the difference between a hetero and a homo sexual.” Answer: nothing but the sex they chose to engage in.
He makes this distinction as a counter to the oft repeated notion that saying that sex between two people of the same gender is unnatural, is equal to “hating gay people.”
DV maintains that one can condemn homosexual acts without condemning the people who engage in such acts. Much like we do with smokers and alcoholics. We freely condemn smoking and excessive drinking. Query why there arent such constructs as smoke-a-phobics and alcoholic-a-phobics.
Hope that helps.
Damn… Get ‘em RJ.
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RJEsq: Much like we do with smokers and alcoholics. We freely condemn smoking and excessive drinking. Query why there arent such constructs as smoke-a-phobics and alcoholic-a-phobics.
Roderick: LOL. Bad comparison. No one comes into the world with the urge to smoke or drink alcohol.
Everyone comes into the world with a sex drive though, but with whom we chose to express that sex drive with is the issue l guess is the issue.
RJEsq
We freely condemn smoking and excessive drinking.
“WE” ? do huh….For the record I let people do what the hell they want to do. I don’t judge people as long as they are not bothering me. So if you condemn those acts why is it you and don’t DV and TSO every post the topics (every week). You guys will try anything to mask your true intentions/feelings all you want. But WE ain’t buying it. You know the Klan condemn blacks going to their schools…and living in their neighborhoods… Dinning at their restaurants…getting loans from their banks. I see some of you Negros (DV) haven’t learned anything from your grandparents.
People do come into the world with a pedisposition to indulge in addictive behavior.
I think I have heard somewhere that there is a genetic component to alcoholism, I am yet to hear about a genetic cause or link to homosexuality.
Sorry Roderick, try again.
Dina
Pres, let’s work on reading comprehension. Let me make this clear. No one cares what anyone does in the privacy of their own bedroom. That’s their PRIVATE business. But when homos demand that PUBLIC schools teach their lifestyle to children, it’s a whole different matter.
Dina, i agree, let’s work on reading comprehension. did I say anything about a ‘gay’ lifestyle being taught by anyone?
I am about teaching tolerance and respect for people. Period. So that it doesn’t matter if they are homosexual, a woman or black.
TOLERANCE and acceptance of other people is what I’m about. Teach TOERANCE in public school such that if you’re gay, white, black, male, whatever, it’s cool.
DV, why shold I give two shyts about who is getting fcuked in the @ss. I really do not care as it is not my lifestyle. But if someone else wants to get fcuked in the @ss (male or female) by all means I’ll support their right to do so.
And yes, check the facts. ‘mosexuality exists in theanimal kingdom. Check your facts before your prejudices, bruh.
You folks are funny. Like a bunch of Jerry Falwells.
Anon,
Clearly you dont pay much attention to detail. Roderick was agreeing with you.
Pres,
Yet again you miss the point.
Teaching “tolerance” is the biggest bunch of nonsense peddled this side of Tuesday. How does one teach “tolerance”? If we are supposed to teach “tolerance” of homosexuality, why don’t we teach “tolerance” of religion in school? Why don’t we teach “tolerance” of crackheads or pedophiles too?
And, being homosexual is not the same thing as being a woman or Black, so knock off that b.s.
Dina.
Ain’t no way in hell would I equate the Black struggle with that of the gay; you might have a hard time catching a cab if you are a black gay male but it damn sure won’t be because you’re gay!
TOLERANCE
Got cut off, sorry.
Tolerance can be taught in so many ways at school arising from practically any incident/event/situation.
For instance, if a kid is being bullied and a teacher gets wind of it is an opportunity to discuss being tolerant of other people and who they are.
You don’t even have to be more specific than to mention that being tolerant applies to all facets of life including religion, kinky hair, brown eyes, tall, short, fat, skinny, etc. What could be bad about that? That’s a message that needs to be reinforced.
I’m not talking about sitting the kids down with photos of gay and straight couples and detailed diagrams of hetero and homosexual sex.
Dina - How can you equate someone being homosexual with crackheads and pedophile?
Pres,
Your cab example is exactly how the issue should be framed.
What is the difference between a Black male and a Black gay male other than the sex in which they engage? What is the difference between a Black male and a Black crackhead male other than the doing of crack?
And while all the tolerance b.s. sounds good in theory, here’s how it comes out in practice -
http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=511209&in_page_id=1770
RJ
Clearly you dont pay much attention to detail. Roderick was agreeing with you.
That wasn’t moi… Probably DV trying to confuse folks using my moniker
Dina
Why don’t we teach “tolerance” of crackheads or pedophiles too?
When a crackheads need medical help. Do they harm you?
Pedophiles prey on under age persons. (Harm people)
Rapist pery on people. (Harm people)
Gay’s don’t harm you do they?
Just wanted to make the distinction.
Dina.
That’s where people go too far. I suggest tolerance should be taught, not a full blown litany about homosexuality.
And I don’t think teachers should automatically assume that kids have a mom and dad; after all 70& of black kids are born out of wedlock, so to speak.
Teachers should ask about ‘parents’ specifically, not mom and dad. Can’t assume that kids have a mother or a father at home nowadays….oh yeah, and that word ‘parents’ would include homosexuals too, which percentage-wise is a tres miniscule proportion compared to the the progeny from straight families that are no longer intact. Or never have been intact. Or is that the fault of gay folks too.
If people used the sense that the good Lord gave them a lot of this bs would be mittigated. You gave me two examples of idiiots in control who are not looking broadly.
Pres,
What you fail to see is that the examples I gave you are not “idiots” in control. That ish is intentional. It is not some misguided mistake by idiots - it is social engineering at its highest levels.
All kids have a mom and dad. Whether mom or dad is in the picture is a different story. But until two men or two women can reproduce, which last I checked is still not the case, a child is a product of a man and woman. Is that really such a controversial point?
Any teacher with half a brain would not ask a child about their ‘mother and father’ in this day and time, they use the word ‘parents’.
The point is that there might not be a two parent household, let alone a household with a male/female. But ‘parents’ sure do cover all the basis, including gay folks in unions. But the need to use the word ‘parents’ instead of ‘mom and dad’ arose because of the sorry @zz state of the heterosexual family.
But I’m sure the gay folks are not crying because the behavior of the heteros messed up the ability to assume that a ‘mom and dad’ are in the household, allowing the use of ‘parents’ to become the smart word to use when questioning a child about his/her household.
So, knowing that the black family is as fcuked up as it is in terms of intact mom/dad household, would you ask a kid using mom/dad or ask about their parents?
Being sensitive to a child’s parental situation is not ’social engineering’. My mother, a teacher since Kennedy was President, told me long about that kids are not stupid and were embarrassed by this whole baby-momma/daddy phenomenon.
Now she says, an intact male/female-mom/dad household is the oddity in the classroom.
Is that social engineering too?
Again, I say those were overzealous idiots wishing to push their homosexual agenda - instead of using simple common sense by being universal in their approach when asking about a child’s parental situation.
TOLERANCE of all, respect for all - even if you do not accept someone’s lifestyle - is what we should be teaching our children.
Is that too much to ask?
Now she says, an intact male/female-mom/dad household is the oddity in the classroom.
Is that social engineering too?
No doubt. 50 years ago, hell 30 years ago, a woman would have been ashamed to be a baby momma. No fault divorce didn’t exist. What changed?
TOLERANCE of all, respect for all - even if you do not accept someone’s lifestyle - is what we should be teaching our children.
Is that too much to ask?
YES It is. All this liberal crap where everyone wants their “lifestyle” respected makes a society of whiney, cry baby victims and now we teach people to be whiney, pathetic victims in school. Because when you demand that everyone “respect” you, you put yourself in a position to constantly be victimized when someone doesn’t. That is psychologically immature and infantile.
You know how I respect you? I stay out of your way and you stay out of mine. I don’t need to know or learn about your lifestyle if I’m not interested and you don’t need to know or learn about mine if you’re not. That’s what respect and tolerance is. That’s how grown ups interact.
I can respect my Christian friends without ever once going to church with them, reading the Bible or pretending that all that wine and wafer stuff isn’t wierd. They can respect me without having to learn one iota about Islam. They don’t have to respect my rituals or my beliefs. They respect me by leaving me to do my thing. They don’t even have to accept it. I have very religious Christian friends who love me very much and worry about my salvation because I believe in a heathen religion, etc. They don’t “accept” Islam and they don’t sit around yacking about my religion being equal to theirs, but they love me. And that’s all that matters.
I don’t need them to teach Islam in school and they don’t need Christianity in school. Which, by the way, you secularists can’t explain. If we’re all about teaching tolerance and respect, why isn’t Christianity taught in public schools since, in America, there are far more Christians than homosexuals?
And you still haven’t explained what distinguishes a Black male from a Black gay male.
DINA - No doubt. 50 years ago, hell 30 years ago, a woman would have been ashamed to be a baby momma. No fault divorce didn’t exist. What changed?
if the pendulum is to shift the other way, that is the will of the people through the courts. You and I did not create this situation; I’m almost 50 and don’t have any kids. But daym I feel for them having to go to school and potentially being embarrassed about their home situations.
My point is that a teacher can promote TOLERANCE and respect. If a one kid calls John a ‘faggot’, that could be a great teaching moment if handled properly. I for one am not, never have been gay. But I distinctly recall in college when one of my classmates, in class was calling Mr. Blocker a ‘faggot’. I felt like kicking his @ss as Mr. Blocker’s alleged sexual orientation was Mr. Blocker’s business alone.
DINA - i don’t need to know or learn about your lifestyle if I’m not interested and you don’t need to know or learn about mine if you’re not.
We are in agreement. Nobody needs to have the ‘lifestyle’ within a child’s home exposed in school. Therefore, teachers ought to ask about ‘parents’ and not ‘mom and dad’ to avoid them the possible embarrassment of ‘baby daddy/momma’ stuff. Heteros have screwed it up for everybody. Again, in the examples you pointed out, those fol;ks went too far.
My point is that if teachers employ a little common sense and teach TOLERANCE and respect overall, these issues can be neatly avoided. This is not hard to do.
DINA - If we’re all about teaching tolerance and respect, why isn’t Christianity taught in public schools since, in America, there are far more Christians than homosexuals?
I think it was proper for religion to be taken out of schools. Why should a Muslim/Jewish/Wiccan kid be subject to hearing Christian ideology in school. That was fine back when 99% of the population was Christian. At the same time, I have no problem with a moment of prayer in schools to calm the kids the fcuk down. Call it reflection/quiet time to keep the atheists happy. This country must be willing to adapt to the circumstances it allows to happen.
DINA - And you still haven’t explained what distinguishes a Black male from a Black gay male.
That’s my point. Appearance-wise, there is no difference. They both won’t be able to catch that cab.
DINA - They don’t have to respect my rituals or my beliefs. They respect me by leaving me to do my thing. They don’t even have to accept it.
Au contraire: Respecting you IS respecting your rituals and beliefs. Accepting them is a different story. Even if one worships the devil, not my cup of tea, but right on for you. I respect your right to do so and will fight for it too.