Gun Control or People Control?
Posted on May 8, 2008 by thestateofblog
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
TheStateOf . . . Gun Control. Do you believe that each American citizen has the right to possess guns? High-powered guns? Uzis?
Bullet Control.
Every bullet should cost $5,000. That way there would be no such thing as “innocent” bystanders.
-Chris Rock
No need for uzi’s and all that high powered military stuff for the home. Protecting the family is one thing but attempting to be a small army is another. I’ve found most people who “cling” to their guns and have a fanaticism about them are insecure in “other” areas.
SDIC
There may be no need for high powered uzis but you have the right to buy one. I think the second amendment is a personal right. We don’t need more gun control laws we need stricter enforcement of current laws. Even the columbine boys, the V Tech killer, and the Southern Illinois shooter all got their guns either illegally or through a lapse of enforcement of an existing law.
Criminal and crazies will always find a way to get a gun.
Hm… I don’t know how to feel about this yet.
Some of us will still kill others … even if we get the guns legally. That part saddens me. I do fee that, as Rich said, stricter enforcement would help.
SDIC,
I bet you’re right … @ your last statement. Guns are usually for ’security’… just as our seatbelt, ins policy and homesecurity system.
I’m messing, but I do understand and there’s alot of truth in it.
Assault weapons are not needed to protect your home. I do think that i have the right to buy and keep my Glock 19, Beretta 9mm, Beretta .380, .45 Smith and Wesson, 2 Beretta .22 as well as the other 12 rifles and shotguns in my possession.
“From my cold dead hands”
Rich: There may be no need for high powered uzis but you have the right to buy one.
Roderick: I don’t believe that assault weapons should be covered under the 2nd Amendment.
I don’t understand why the average Joe would want or need to own a semiautomatic weapon.
Rich: I think the second amendment is a personal right.
Roderick: Maybe but all rights should have limits.
Rich: Even the columbine boys, the V Tech killer, and the Southern Illinois shooter all got their guns either illegally or through a lapse of enforcement of an existing law.
Roderick: The cases of the Virginia Tech killer and the Southern Illinois guman also showed holes in our mental health system.
Rich: Criminal and crazies will always find a way to get a gun.
True but guns shouldn’t be for sale over the internet.
This is such a bs argument. In my city a cop was gunned down on Saturday during a robbery. Four suspects; one shot, the last captured this morning. They had done jail time before.
They need to take these three fools, have a quick trial and hang them before the end of the month - just like they did with Lincoln’s conspirators.
I do not own a gun but would not deny anyone that right. Start enforcing the gun laws beginning with this one: do a crime with a gun, a 7-year mandatory, no plea bargain sentence tacked on to any addtional charges. And make the jails more like learning institutions, harcore boarding schools - PBS all day (no ‘Wire’), mandatory academic classes, homework, etc..
The question isn’t should people be “allowed” to own or buy guns.
The question is WHO should do the “allowing”?
“Da Guvamunt”? (Plantation)
The reality is that we face a far greater threat from the people tapping our phones, reading our eMails, drugging our children (questionable vaccinations), stealing our money to give to their friends (Haliburton), destroying our environment, targeting young black men for prison and starting wars not in our interest … than the we do the occasional crazy with a gun or crackhead breaking into our car.
How long before Blackwater is kicking in your front door and rounding your ass up to be taken to “Hospitality” camps? (Katrina)
Not only do I own guns, I’m shopping for a bazooka.
Any black man, particularly fathers and husbands who fails to arm himself is irresponsible. This aint our Daddy’s America no more. It’s a whole new ballgame. Think Malcolm, not Ralph Abernathy.
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Some states have concealed carry you know. Other’s doesn’t but there are those who believes that society is safer without guns and they believe so irrationally. Almost as if the worst could happen with a gun in the home.
I’m more concerned with people being responsible. A child recently shot himself in the head in Chicago. It was accidental but I wouldn’t say guns shouldn’t be kept in the home as a police commander stated. I would just say someone didn’t take care to keep the gun secured so the child won’t get his hands on it.
I think a person has the right to defend himself or herself. I know people want to depend on the police but there is only so much they can do. This is why a person should be allowed to protect themselves especially to be able to stop themselves from being a victim.
TheStateOf . . . Gun Control. Do you believe that each American citizen has the right to possess guns? High-powered guns? Uzis?
Answer: No!
FACT:In 2005 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,694 gun deaths in the U.S:
-12,352 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
-17,002 suicides (55% of all U.S gun deaths),
-789 unintentional shootings, 330 from legal intervention and 221 from undetermined intent (5% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
*Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2008.
FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
-373 people in Germany
-151 people in Canada
-57 people in Australia
-19 people in Japan
-54 people in England and Wales, and
-11,789 people in the United States
FACT: Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.
FACT: U.S. Taxpayers pay more than 85% of the medical cost for treatment of firearm-related injuries.
FACT: Every two years more Americans die from firearm injuries than the total number of American soldiers killed during the 8-year Vietnam War. In 2003, the total number of people killed by guns in the United States was 30,136.
FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.
Anon,
For every gun death in America last year, there were 40 diet related deaths.
Do we “ban” processed food?
For every gun death there were 8 vehicle related deaths.
Do we “ban” vehicles?
Guns have a symbolic value beyond mere defense.
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ”
Thomas Jefferson
Right on, DV!
I have mixed feelings on this…..
oN the one hand, I grew up in a house where my father had an extensive gun collection. Not a single one was kept under lock and key. They were in the closet behind the clothes. We knew they were there but we also knew we’d get our ass beat for going in our parents’ things. As an adult, I like shooting guns. It’s fun.
On the other hand, in my line of work, I see that it’s not just the “occasional crazy” with a gun. EVERYONE has a gun. I repeat, EVERYONE has guns. Legallly and otherwise. Usually it’s the otherwise. Kids, crazies, young, old. And they aren’t carrying these guns to protect their homes. Stashing a .357 under your car seat is not because you are worried about who’s coming through your front door. It’s disturbing to see what’s out there.
DV, where the hell are you going to get a bazooka?
I think you have watched too many episodes of the A Team.
DV
For every gun death in America last year, there were 40 diet related deaths.
The TOPIC is GUNS… No one is arguing that junk food or police brutality are not also bad.
Secondly, unlike cars… guns are not a necessity towards your everyday life… I suspect you are not hunting for your food are you? Otherwise, how do you get to work or your yoga class Mr. Heston Jr.??
“Guns have a symbolic value beyond mere defense.”
This is hardly a sufficient basis to argue against limiting access to automatic or assault weaponry. Or against other reasonable means that could operate to limit some of the violence that occurs in this country that has nothing to do with protecting one’s home or person against an intruder or an immediate danger.
Roderick: I don’t believe that assault weapons should be covered under the 2nd Amendment.
I don’t understand why the average Joe would want or need to own a semiautomatic weapon.
1st please define what an assault weapon is.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/Malcomxm1carbine3gr.gif
According to some, this is an assault weapon. Do you think that he needed to own it?
Now about that semi-auto stuff. Are you gonna lock my grandmother up because she has a semi-auto pistol. They all function the same way. Pull the trigger once and one bullet comes out. Pull the trigger again and another bullet comes out. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Beretta 92 pistol or a Smith & Wesson revolver. I won’t even go into how many regular hunting rifles are semi-auto.
True but guns shouldn’t be for sale over the internet.
Gun sales “over the internet” are subject to the same laws as face to face gun sales. They are shipped to FFL holders (gun shops, pawn shops, etc) and the buyer goes through the same steps as if he was buying it from the store.
I am hoping that the SCOTUS rules in favor of the people and allows the people of DC to defend themselves against people that intend to do them harm.
There is so much misinformation out there regarding guns, gun sales, etc that it’s easy to get confused. Most of these so called assault weapons are less powerful, less accurate, and less deadly than your common hunting rifle.
Anon,
“The TOPIC is GUNS… No one is arguing that junk food or police brutality are not also bad.”
Nah Festas, the topic is “banning”.
The government has no right to “ban” guns any more than it has the right to ban marijuana or homosexual sex.
If they take my AR 15, what’s stopping the government from preventing you and your boyfriend from playing Brokeback Mountain?
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It would be cool if everyone gave up their guns, including the gov’t and the police - like in the U.K. But that ain’t happenin’, so I gots to keep mine.
LOL. I should have known that this topic would bring Booker Rising’s resident gun nut (LLR) over here.
Maybe you should go on hunting trip with Cheney sometime*wink, wink*
LLR, have you been fantasizing lately how you would have protected yourself against the darkies if you had been stuck in NOLA during Katrina?
LOL. I should have known that this topic would bring Booker Rising’s resident gun nut (LLR) over here.
Gun nut..Yeah real adult like Roderick.
Yeah I believe in the 2nd amendment so that makes me a gun nut? Does that mean that those that believe in the 1st amendment are religious fanatics?
LLR, have you been fantasizing lately how you would have protected yourself against the darkies if you had been stuck in NOLA during Katrina?
Why don’t you just answer the questions that I posed to you? Define what an assault weapon is and tell me if Malcolm X needed that rifle that would be banned under an assault weapon ban.
DV
Nah Festas, the topic is “banning”.
Fresh Prince…Can you read? Here I posted it for you again:
Gun Control or People Control?
Where is the word ban??? Carlton
DV
If they take my AR 15, what’s stopping the government from preventing you and your boyfriend from playing Brokeback Mountain?
I see you can not seem to get those homo erotic thoughts out of your head DV… Did you miss your weekly therapy session… Secondly, who are you so afraid of that you need a military grade automatic weapon… Belair is far from East L.A. Carlton. (What happened to that gansta rap swag)…
DV
Suck on this for a minute… Oh Snap! Barack must know you personally!!
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama
2008
Secondly, who are you so afraid of that you need a military grade automatic weapon
I am willing to bet that he does not have an automatic AR-15. I bet it’s a semi-auto AR which means that when you pull the trigger 1 single bullet comes out.
A lot of guns that the military uses were 1st civilian guns before the military adopted them. A great example would be the Beretta 92 (M9). It has been around since the 1970s but the military adopted them as their standard firearm in the 1980s. So does that mean that everyone that owns a Beretta 92 is has one of those “military grade weapons.”
But hey let’s not let facts get in the way.
No it would not be cool to give up our guns. Has anyone talked about the sheer recreational aspect of owning a gun? It seems like much of the discussion is centered on self defense. But it was fun running around my grandaddy’s 100 acres shooting at targets, bottles, cans, and whatever else. It’s fun now to shoot at clay targets with my shotgun or go to a shooting range to try out some handguns.
Shooting guns can be fun.
Rich,
Recreation is a good point. But that’s not going to get any points across. The elephant in the room regarding gun control is Power and Liberty.
Slaves do not have guns.
Slave owners do have guns.
Negros comfortable being slaves, I won’t say no names (Anon), subconsciously work in the interest of the slave owners to prevent others from owning guns.
The power elite trick them into working against their own self-interest by disguising their intention to concentrate firearms in the hands of a small number of elites with liberal programs that sound well intentioned like “Gun Control” and “Public Safety”.
They did the same thing when changed the reality of “Killing An Unborn Child” to the euphemistic and highly marketable “A Woman’s Right”.
Gun Control is not about public safety. It’s about liberty. When Katrina hit black people were treated like cattle, prohibited from leaving places they did not want to be. The government reacted to them as if the citizens were the enemy. Powerless refugees.
Think it’s not going to happen again?
Plantation Negros like Anon think the Plantation Police are going to protect them forever.
“Ooohh Masssa!! Oohh Masssa!! Bwak Man Aint Pose Ta Ha No Guuun!!! Arrres Him Masssa!!! Take His Guunnn Masssa!!”
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DV
Gun Control is not about public safety. It’s about liberty.
Not about Public saftey??? What planet do you live on Carlton? Why is the gansta rap groupie so scared of the boogie man!! Some real nigg will end up taken your gun from your ass and shooting you with it!
FACT: Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.
FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
-373 people in Germany
-151 people in Canada
-57 people in Australia
-19 people in Japan
-54 people in England and Wales, and
-11,789 people in the United States
LLR:
Yeah I believe in the 2nd amendment so that makes me a gun nut? Does that mean that those that believe in the 1st amendment are religious fanatics?
No you obsess over the 2nd Amendment and it’s strange that you have only posted here twice–both of those times the subject has been guns. LOL
A couple of yeasrs ago I watched my friend’s father making bullets in his shed.
He told me, “Pres, I advise every black man in America to buy a gun and go to the gun range to learn how to shoot it. All you see when you go to the range is white folks.’
Thought long about that and although I would never imagine owning a firearm, he made some sense.
If we’re not going to control guns put ‘em in jail for a long time if a crime is committed with a gun: 7 years, no plea tacked on to the sentence.
No you obsess over the 2nd Amendment and it’s strange that you have only posted here twice–both of those times the subject has been guns. LOL
I am not any more obsessed about the 2nd amendment tan I am obsessed about high taxes, gov’t regulations, huge gov’t spending, or any issues that interests me.
So will you answer the questions that I posed to you? Will you define what an assault weapon is and will you tell me if Malcolm X needed that rifle in that famous picture. By today’s standards it’s an assault weapon.
“I am not any more obsessed about the 2nd amendment tan I am obsessed about high taxes, gov’t regulations, huge gov’t spending, or any issues that interests me.” LLR
Get ‘em LL.
Get ‘em LL.
I am still waiting on him to define what an assault weapon is and say if Malcolm X needed that “assault weapon” in that pic that I posted a link to.
Sure I like shooting as hobby and I own several guns, so yeah I get a little upset when I see politicians that know nothing about guns trying to write laws that take away my RIGHTS.
At the same time I get upset when I see politicians trying to raise my taxes, regulate my behavior, and send earmarks to their districts/states for BS.
To be honest I just think that Roderick might be misinformed about a lot of gun laws and the functionality and configuration of most firearms.
Denmark Vesey: Get ‘em LL.
Why don’t you get me?
I learned how to deal with a bully like you a little late but I learned.
And that little pathetic name-calling incident that Dina gave me for you the other day was quite sad.
You two need to get together and come up with something besides R2D2 and calling someone a feminist but then again neither of you is willing to have an honest intellectual exchange that is why you resort to juvenile name-calling.
LLR: Sure I like shooting as hobby and I own several guns, so yeah I get a little upset when I see politicians that know nothing about guns trying to write laws that take away my RIGHTS.
Roderick: Wow there goes the paranoia again.
Who exactly is going to take your guns away and how many guns do you really need to protect yourself and
keep for fun?
You only have two hands or can you hold them with your feet as well? LOL
LLR: At the same time I get upset when I see politicians trying to raise my taxes,Roderick: would you like some whine with that cheese?
I would love for the local, state and federal government to close at the same time for a week and see what chaos would insue.
LLR:regulate my behavior
Roderick: Just because there are laws that keep you from puffing your cancer-causing cigarette smoke into the air in public places while those of us have to inhale your hsit doesn’t mean someone is trying to regulate your behavior. I am sure you can find a wide open space in the woods to smoke until both of your lungs collapse.
LLR:and send earmarks to their districts/states for BS.
Roderick: It’s ironic that southern states get more back in federal taxes than they pay yet they are always complaining about taxes. For every dollar Mississippi (where you live) sends to the government it gets back $1.77. For every dollar Alabama sends to the federal government it receives $1.71 in return. So sure don’t accept those federal projects and watch Mississippi poor economy erode and watch your taxes go up unless you want to move to one of those states
LLR: To be honest I just think that Roderick might be misinformed about a lot of gun laws and the functionality and configuration of most firearms.
Maybe but I do know that if you can’t defend yourself with a shot gun you may as well give it up.
Who exactly is going to take your guns away and how many guns do you really need to protect yourself and
keep for fun?
You only have two hands or can you hold them with your feet as well? LOL
Well there’s Mr. “no one except for cops need to carry guns” Obama and Mrs. Clinton for starters. Then there’s there a host of senators and reps that I could name that have and do support gun bans.
Now I want you to show me where in the US a gun ban has been effective. DC and Chicago have some of the strictest gun bans in the US and have high crime. At the same time gun laws are the same in Philly as in the more rural parts of Penn, but the crime stats are dramatically different and gun ownership is higher in the rural parts of Penn. What explains that?
I would love for the local, state and federal government to close at the same time for a week and see what chaos would insue.
I haven’t called for an abolishment of the gov’t. I am just asking that it be slimmed down a lot.
Roderick: Just because there are laws that keep you from puffing your cancer-causing cigarette smoke into the air in public places while those of us have to inhale your hsit doesn’t mean someone is trying to regulate your behavior. I am sure you can find a wide open space in the woods to smoke until both of your lungs collapse.
How is not behavior regulation? What about trans-fat ban, and all of the other BS that the do-gooders try and shove down people’s throats. I won’t even go into BS like the new light bulb regulations.
Roderick: It’s ironic that southern states get more back in federal taxes than they pay yet they are always complaining about taxes. For every dollar Mississippi (where you live) sends to the government it gets back $1.77. For every dollar Alabama sends to the federal government it receives $1.71 in return. So sure don’t accept those federal projects and watch Mississippi poor economy erode and watch your taxes go up unless you want to move to one of those states
OK and your point being what? Let’s not even get into how much money it takes just to get that $1.77 back to MS. I think that if MS wants to provide healthcare for its poor citizens then MS should be the one funding it and not people in WA and NE. Let states do their own thing and stop pushing federal mandates on states that eventually require that states raise their taxes anyways.
Maybe but I do know that if you can’t defend yourself with a shot gun you may as well give it up.
Now that might be true, but at the same time you can’t carry a shotgun for defense. Yeah I own some shotguns including some that are “home defense:” shotguns, but that doesn’t mean that I want to give up my SKS rifles and my handguns.
I guess I am one of those small town people that is bitter and clings to their guns.
So again I will ask you to define what an assault weapon is and tell me if Malcolm X needed that rifle that would be banned my modern day assault weapon bans.
Denmark Vesey: Get ‘em LL.
“Why don’t you get me? I learned how to deal with a bully like you a little late but I learned.” Roderick
Ahhh … calm down Hillary.
Wasn’t nobody even talkin’ about your monkey azz to begin with. You going let Robyn gas you up into another spanking.
I am applauding LL’s island of independence and self-determination in a vast ocean of conformists conditioned to believe “da guvamint” should play the role of daddy by protecting Americans, caring for Americans, regulating Americans, taxing Americans and punishing Americans.
In short, Negros like you who wish to extend the plantation system by handing all the power over to the state. You think the government should regulate everything from guns to sperm.
You’re so eager to play “victim” you are seeing digs that are not even there.
But since you started ….
Roderick, I don’t know you from a can of paint. What you perceive as personal insults directed at you are actually attacks on the attitudes that you express and that are held by far too many ‘educated’ black men.
I’m not attacking the messenger. I’m attacking the message. With a million black men in prison, the family collapsing and the economy in shambles, I don’t know what it’s going to take before you … excuse me … black men like you … accept the fact that “da guvament” is not our savior.
I resent your contempt for black families. I resent your mockery of marriage. I resent your programmed defense of anything homosexual.
You’ve jumped on the bandwagon of every destructive liberal meme that has infected our community.
Some say TSO has reduced itself to the level of Bossip, by addressing these issues. I disagree. I believe TSO has provided a rare forum to discuss a greater threat to black Americans than a million Jena 6’s.
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The Bitter Boys : LLR & DV
The Bitter Boys would have shot your way out… You two watch to many John Wayne flicks!
Daily News Reports
DMX was busted again this morning at his home in Arizona — and the Sheriffs tell us he barricaded himself in his bedroom when they came to get him!
DMX was arrested at 3:00 AM at his home in Cave Creek on seven misdemeanor counts of animal cruelty and four felony drug possession charges. During a search of his home, cops found more than they bargained for — including a number of weapons and drugs, as well as five pit bull puppies — and filed additional charges against him.
According to Sheriff Arpaio, DMX attempted to barricade himself in his bedroom at the time of the search warrant but eventually came out, offered no further resistance, and was booked.
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Barack Obama
2008